Originally posted by: jdubit

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: i am skimble

Originally posted by: jdubit

Originally posted by: the jizzler

he gave his life as a man. let me ask you. would that be easy? especially the way Jesus died. would it be easy? even if you knew that you would be resurrected as a spiritual being?

He knew he was an incarnation of God (If God is all-knowing and Jesus is God then Jesus must know he is God or God is not all-knowing or Jesus is not God). If you knew you were God than you know it is impossible for you to actually die, actually suffer, actually feel pain--so... no he didn't sacrifice anything, it was essentially a pageant.

He sacrificed himself to himself to pay for the sins committed by adam and eve when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil... even though before doing this evil thing they actually had no knowledge of good and evil.

Not only is the christian religion bullshit, even if it weren't its god would be a monster.

He didn't sacrifice himself to himself. Where do you get that?

the tree of knowledge was there for a reason. without it, they would essentially have no choice in whether to obey or disobey God. this came with the gift of free will.

i don't know why you call God a monster. he gave you life with 5 senses to enjoy it.

If Jesus is God and not a wholly separate entity, then he sacrificed himself to himself.

Without knowledge of good and evil the idea of free will in that instance is a complete fucking joke.. and a cruel one at that.

If you don't know why I call your god a monster, then you haven't read your bible very closely.

Originally posted by: joe vena

Originally posted by: tom.

what is "good," if not just a word to describe something relatively pleasurable to personal well-being?

give me a fucking break

it was just a question...

Originally posted by: tom.

Originally posted by: joe vena

Originally posted by: tom.

what is "good," if not just a word to describe something relatively pleasurable to personal well-being?

give me a fucking break

it was just a question...

It was an inane, self-serving, and leading question that starts off with a false premise. You're better than this, Tom.

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: jdubit

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: i am skimble

Originally posted by: jdubit

Originally posted by: the jizzler

he gave his life as a man. let me ask you. would that be easy? especially the way Jesus died. would it be easy? even if you knew that you would be resurrected as a spiritual being?

He knew he was an incarnation of God (If God is all-knowing and Jesus is God then Jesus must know he is God or God is not all-knowing or Jesus is not God). If you knew you were God than you know it is impossible for you to actually die, actually suffer, actually feel pain--so... no he didn't sacrifice anything, it was essentially a pageant.

He sacrificed himself to himself to pay for the sins committed by adam and eve when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil... even though before doing this evil thing they actually had no knowledge of good and evil.

Not only is the christian religion bullshit, even if it weren't its god would be a monster.

He didn't sacrifice himself to himself. Where do you get that?

the tree of knowledge was there for a reason. without it, they would essentially have no choice in whether to obey or disobey God. this came with the gift of free will.

i don't know why you call God a monster. he gave you life with 5 senses to enjoy it.

If Jesus is God and not a wholly separate entity, then he sacrificed himself to himself.

Without knowledge of good and evil the idea of free will in that instance is a complete fucking joke.. and a cruel one at that.

If you don't know why I call your god a monster, then you haven't read your bible very closely.

No, Jesus is not Jehovah God. The Bible does not support the trinity doctrine. Also, no monster would give us the amazing gift that is life and an amazing planet that lets us enjoy life all the more!

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: tom.

Originally posted by: joe vena

Originally posted by: tom.

what is "good," if not just a word to describe something relatively pleasurable to personal well-being?

give me a fucking break

it was just a question...

It was an inane, self-serving, and leading question that starts off with a false premise. You're better than this, Tom.

crunkmoose is never wrong tom

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: tom.

Originally posted by: joe vena

Originally posted by: tom.

what is "good," if not just a word to describe something relatively pleasurable to personal well-being?

give me a fucking break

it was just a question...

It was an inane, self-serving, and leading question that starts off with a false premise. You're better than this, Tom.

no it's not. it's basic ethics. it's one of the most foundational questions that society is built upon but for some reason, it upsets you (and whoever else) that i asked it. i want to gather why.

i was raised in a strict catholic family
therefore
i despise catholicism

Originally posted by: tom.

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: tom.

Originally posted by: joe vena

Originally posted by: tom.

what is "good," if not just a word to describe something relatively pleasurable to personal well-being?

give me a fucking break

it was just a question...

It was an inane, self-serving, and leading question that starts off with a false premise. You're better than this, Tom.

no it's not. it's basic ethics. it's one of the most foundational questions that society is built upon but for some reason, it upsets you (and whoever else) that i asked it. i want to gather why.

ignorance is bliss?

the bible is like the brittany spears of ancient texts that talk about these things though. read plato, read lao tzu, read the zend avesta; there are so many better books out there from this period to look at if you want some truly brilliant insight from that time. the king james soap opera can really take a back seat.

that being said, i do like ecclesiastes, the psalms, and the books of john and matthew. those are people i would like to meet. but so much of the rest is just such blatantly self serving propaganda, documenting and advocating some of the worst bigotry and just generally shitty behavior in history. and the writings of paul have no business being in there at all and have done about as much damage to the world as words can. read more, preach less.

Originally posted by: Jason Voorheees

the bible is like the brittany spears of ancient texts that talk about these things though. read plato, read lao tzu, read the zend avesta; there are so many better books out there from this period to look at if you want some truly brilliant insight from that time. the king james soap opera can really take a back seat.

that being said, i do like ecclesiastes, the psalms, and the books of john and matthew. those are people i would like to meet. but so much of the rest is just such blatantly self serving propaganda, documenting and advocating some of the worst bigotry and just generally shitty behavior in history. and the writings of paul have no business being in there at all and have done about as much damage to the world as words can. read more, preach less.

the real difference between the ancient texts that you mentioned and the Bible is that the Bible actually has a solution for the problems mankind is facing today.

lol

Originally posted by: Jason Voorheees

lol

i'm glad you find that funny?

I found it funny too.

" brittany spears of ancient texts"
ha, never really heard someone think this about the "bib-le" ha

.....not going to try screaming "the bible's better!" I've talked to alot of people. I can't change your mind, you choose what you choose. I choose what I choose. I just want to say, it's a good book, with some deep insights. If you see that, that would be good for you too. Alright, I'm going away for another long period. I'll pop up again.

i agree, and jesus is one of the nicest characters ever described in all of literature. but some of the others in there, not so much. you can start with leviticus and kings; even jesus seemed to want to deconstruct the harshness of the old testament. [kind of the reason why they killed him.] and the funny thing is, there's a decent chance that he read plato himself, and maybe even heard about texts like the zend avesta and lao tzu, as an intellectual rabbi himself, interested in the world around him. [there were actually two books of plato found in the nag hammadi jar along with the gnostic texts, so this really is a possibility, especially if you look at their possible influence on the change in tenor from the old to new testament.]