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Talula

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December 16 2006 1:28 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
McCain Bill Is Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom
Exploits fear of sexual predators and basic misunderstanding of Internet to attack blogs critical of the warmongering agenda he fronts for

Prison Planet | December 15, 2006
Paul Joseph Watson

Republican Senator John McCain has introduced legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards, effectively nixing the open exchange of ideas on the Internet, providing a lethal injection for unrestrained opinion, and acting as the latest attack tool to chill freedom of speech on the world wide web.

McCain's proposal, called the "Stop the Online Exploitation of Our Children Act," encourages informants to shop website owners to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who then pass the information on to the relevant police authorities.

Comment boards for specific articles are extremely popular and also notoriously hard to moderate. Popular articles often receive comments that run into the thousands over the course of time. In many cases, individuals hostile to the writer's argument deliberately leave obscene comments and images simply to sully the reputation of the website owners. Therefore under the terms of this bill, right-wing extremists from a website like Free Republic could effectively terminate a liberal leaning website like Raw Story by the act of posting a single photograph of a naked child. This precedent could be the kiss of death for blogs as we know them and its reverberations would negatively impact the entire Internet.

Under the banner of saving the children from sexual predators, McCain is obviously on a mission to stamp out the influence of the burgeoning blogosphere and its increasing hostility to the warmongering agenda that he fronts for.

"This constitutionally dubious proposal is being made apparently mostly based on fear or political considerations rather than on the facts," warns Kevin Bankston, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco.

McCain has publicly expressed his distaste for blogs in the past and this is why any protestation that he is simply aiming to "protect the children" with this legislation falls on deaf ears.

In a May 2006 speech at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, McCain attacked the blogosphere as a refuge of those only infatuated with self-expression. He was trying to minimize the importance of the last true outpost of freedom of speech, the Internet, and portray it as nothing more than a swap shop for egos and hyperbole.

So if the blogosphere is nothing more than a bulletin board for self-important know it alls, what possible threat could that be to young children? Where is the evidence that kids are being victimized by people who post comments on blogs?

There is no evidence but that doesn't really matter when you consider that a sizable portion of Congress critters who will be voting on this legislation if it comes to pass, don't even know what the Internet itself is (it's not a big truck) , never mind how it's used. And then a sizable majority of the remaining House members probably hate the blogosphere as much as McCain, because it has replaced the lapdog mainstream media in acting as the 4th estate in muckraker reporting, anti-war protest, and holding public officials to task.

In reality, sexual predators have always confined their grooming to live chat rooms, or in the case of Republican pervert Mark Foley, instant messaging and PDA's. Pedophiles are never going to leave a record of their sordid advances on message boards because in most cases, their IP address and location can be obtained immediately from the server log. And as reported by C Net , "Studies by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children show the online sexual solicitation of minors has dropped in the past five years, despite the growth of social-networking
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December 16 2006 1:32 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
freedom = dead?
Talula
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December 16 2006 1:37 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
for the most part yes
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December 16 2006 2:18 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
wow, and to think I was a fan of the guy as far as Republicans go. absolutely retarded.

of course a lot of this is bias and this is from prisonplanet, but it's still pretty damn scary.
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December 16 2006 9:41 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Wow, that's fucking horribly retarded. I find it hard to believe that not enough people would have a problem with this, but if they just keep yelling paedophiles then people will probably just get scared.

On the other points it makes; I think it's entirely reasonable to shut down terrorist propaganda websites. But at the same time it is ineffective (they pop up under a new name virtually instantly), and you don't win hearts and minds simply by suffocating the other viewpoint.

Also, John Reid will not be prime minister, at least it's extremely unlikely. I'll eat my hat if that happens.
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December 16 2006 10:15 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Oh, now I know why McCain doesn't know the difference between a democratically elected leader and a tyrant... he simply confuses them.

Chavez: Democratically elected leader.

McCain: Tyrant in waiting.

Why isn't this being reported on???? Because our media is wholly compliant to the government/corporate agenda... which, of course, includes keeping any dissidents from being able to voice an opinion in a large venue.


"In a May 2006 speech at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, McCain attacked the blogosphere as a refuge of those only infatuated with self-expression."

Yeah, man... if there is one thing this nation was NOT founded on... its the right to self-expression.

"- In an interview with Fox News last month, Bush senior slammed Internet bloggers for creating an "adversarial and ugly climate."

Yeah... because we all know that politics was a cooperative and happy field right up to the creation of the internet.

Don't let ANY of the things Bush sr. has been doing lately to help humanitarian causes fool you. He is still the same monster he has always been.
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December 16 2006 11:13 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Talula

Comment boards for specific articles are extremely popular and also notoriously hard to moderate. Popular articles often receive comments that run into the thousands over the course of time. In many cases, individuals hostile to the writer's argument deliberately leave obscene comments and images simply to sully the reputation of the website owners. Therefore under the terms of this bill, right-wing extremists from a website like Free Republic could effectively terminate a liberal leaning website like Raw Story by the act of posting a single photograph of a naked child. This precedent could be the kiss of death for blogs as we know them and its reverberations would negatively impact the entire Internet.



I don't see this happening, but someone deciding what's offensive or not on the internet (the greatest mode of communication and one of the best vessels of free speech we have) and responding with a fine and ban is a badddd idea.
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December 16 2006 11:17 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
And prisonplanet is fucking terrible "journalism."
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December 16 2006 8:14 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Has anyone actually looked into the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform act?

McCain doesn't have a good track record on free speech in the first place. This doesn't surprise me, but I see no reason to panic. If it somehow managed to pass, it's blatantly unconstitutional.
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December 16 2006 9:17 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:crunkmoose



Chavez: Democratically elected leader.

McCain: Tyrant in waiting.

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you know nothing about Chavez. He cheated. I have family suffering in Venezuela because of this guy. This is lying piece of shit and was never elected democratically. THe poor 20% of the country was bribed to vote for this man. THe other 30% that works for the governent was FORCED to vote for Chavez. people that have been dead for 100 years some how vote for this man? how is that possible? CHEATER. Fuck that man, and fuck his socialst views.

Just thought i would get that off my chest.
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December 16 2006 10:01 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
I could literally only read two sentences before I wanted to throw up.

I'm with Tommy. Fuck McCain, what a douche. I hope his plane goes down in flames.
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December 16 2006 10:43 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:ozonod

Originally posted by:crunkmoose



Chavez: Democratically elected leader.

McCain: Tyrant in waiting.

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you know nothing about Chavez. He cheated. I have family suffering in Venezuela because of this guy. This is lying piece of shit and was never elected democratically. THe poor 20% of the country was bribed to vote for this man. THe other 30% that works for the governent was FORCED to vote for Chavez. people that have been dead for 100 years some how vote for this man? how is that possible? CHEATER. Fuck that man, and fuck his socialst views.

Just thought i would get that off my chest.



He... "cheated"? In what way? Where is the documentation? I can only assume you are speaking of elections.. which were certified by international monitors. Lots of folks like to SAY that the elections were rigged.. no one has anything to back it up.

Maybe you need to start looking around at other politicians, son... they aren't so lilly white either.

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December 17 2006 2:24 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: nick danger

And prisonplanet is fucking terrible "journalism."



I agree. if the news being reported in this article wasn't so relevant to me, I would have been happy to pass it over for another source if it was being reported all over. and I'm still taking half of it with a grain of salt.
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December 17 2006 9:12 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
And Pudge I hate to say it, but even though this is blatantly unconstitutional it will still have a chance of being passed. Look at the numerous unconstitutional things that Bush and Co. have already passed so far.
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December 17 2006 9:25 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
^Yes, but think of it this way... McCain is still a Republican... and they are no longer in control.

Still a chance.. but not too much. (Hopefully) no more rubber stamp congress.
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December 17 2006 9:27 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
"THe poor 20% of the country was bribed to vote for this man."

I guess its only bribery.. if they're poor.
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