for a second round draft pick....wow Eagles...you dropped the ball on that one.

fucking whack

No way Reid and Heckert are giving away a valuable 2nd round pick for a 32 year old tight end.

Originally posted by:Deminuendo

No way Reid and Heckert are giving away a valuable 2nd round pick for a 32 year old tight end.

i'll take gonzalez over a valuable 2nd round draft pick...him and ryan with have a pretty amazing season in 2009.

2nd round pick for someone who has stated he has maybe one or two years left is a questionable trade. Glad the Eagles did not make this trade although he would have looked good for a third rounder

Ironically enough earlier in the season the eagles DID offer a 2nd round pick for Gonzalez

Originally posted by:yantastic

2nd round pick for someone who has stated he has maybe one or two years left is a questionable trade. Glad the Eagles did not make this trade although he would have looked good for a third rounder

the eagles are horrible in the draft. i would have rather had a solid TE for 2 years instead of another kevin kolb or reggie brown 2nd round pick. desean jackson is the only worthy 2nd rounder they have had in quite sometime.

The Birds aren't that bad come on

Besides, Reid has drafted several very solid players who have produced or made some kind of positive impact on the field..

McNabb, Westbrook, Buckhalter (to a point), Sheldon Brown, Sheppard, Michael Lewis (early in his career), Shawn Andrews, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole, Broderick Bunkley, Omar Gaither, Avant, Gocong, Celek, Desean Jackson, Stewart Bradley...

It's not like they're horrible.. who else has had better success with more drafted players in the last decade?

Compare the Birds to the Patriots in the same time frame..

Tom Brady, Matt Light, Richard Seymour, Deion Branch, David Givens, Eugene Wilson, Asanta Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Matt Cassel, Laurence Maroney, Brandon Meriweather....

I mean come on, they have about as much a success rate at hitting a decent player as any other team does.

Originally posted by:Deminuendo

The Birds aren't that bad come on

Besides, Reid has drafted several very solid players who have produced or made some kind of positive impact on the field..

McNabb, Westbrook, Buckhalter (to a point), Sheldon Brown, Sheppard, Michael Lewis (early in his career), Shawn Andrews, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole, Broderick Bunkley, Omar Gaither, Avant, Gocong, Celek, Desean Jackson, Stewart Bradley...

It's not like they're horrible.. who else has had better success with more drafted players in the last decade?

Compare the Birds to the Patriots in the same time frame..

Tom Brady, Matt Light, Richard Seymour, Deion Branch, David Givens, Eugene Wilson, Asanta Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Matt Cassel, Laurence Maroney, Brandon Meriweather....

I mean come on, they have about as much a success rate at hitting a decent player as any other team does.

who in that group besides jackson is a second round pick?

I don't see how thats relevant but since 1999 the Eagles 2nd rounders are..

Barry Gardner
Todd Pinkston
Quinton Caver
Michael Lewis
LJ Smith
Reggie Brown
Winston Justice
Kevin Kolb
Victor Abiamiri
Trevor Laws
Desean Jackson


They obviously don't go after any specific type of player in the 2nd round, so to base the value of a future 2nd round pick on the past... well that's just misguided and illogical. If Reggie Brown and Kevin Kolb were drafted in the 3rd round, you'd have the same argument. Besides, Kevin Kolb hasn't even been put in a position to be successful yet, so to use him in this argument is just asinine.

of the Eagles second rounders most were serviceable (Reggie Brown, LJ Smith) and a few were pretty good (Michael Lewis, Desean Jackson, Trevor Laws) with a few still having the ability to improve (Kevin Kolb, Victor Abiamiri).

granted no one in that group is as good as Gonzalez, but it'd be one thing if we had picked him up mid season for a second rounder for the playoffs, it's another when you know he's only got a year or two.

and the 2nd round pick the Falcons gave up wasnt even for this year, it was for 2010. I'd have seen if the Chiefs would have taken a 3rd this year

Originally posted by:Deminuendo

I don't see how thats relevant but since 1999 the Eagles 2nd rounders are..

Barry Gardner
Todd Pinkston
Quinton Caver
Michael Lewis
LJ Smith
Reggie Brown
Winston Justice
Kevin Kolb
Victor Abiamiri
Trevor Laws
Desean Jackson


They obviously don't go after any specific type of player in the 2nd round, so to base the value of a future 2nd round pick on the past... well that's just misguided and illogical. If Reggie Brown and Kevin Kolb were drafted in the 3rd round, you'd have the same argument. Besides, Kevin Kolb hasn't even been put in a position to be successful yet, so to use him in this argument is just asinine.

You missed Sheldon Brown on that list too

Originally posted by:Deminuendo

I don't see how thats relevant but since 1999 the Eagles 2nd rounders are..

Barry Gardner
Todd Pinkston
Quinton Caver
Michael Lewis
LJ Smith
Reggie Brown
Winston Justice
Kevin Kolb
Victor Abiamiri
Trevor Laws
Desean Jackson


They obviously don't go after any specific type of player in the 2nd round, so to base the value of a future 2nd round pick on the past... well that's just misguided and illogical. If Reggie Brown and Kevin Kolb were drafted in the 3rd round, you'd have the same argument. Besides, Kevin Kolb hasn't even been put in a position to be successful yet, so to use him in this argument is just asinine.

my point was the eagles have really done nothing with a second round pick in roughly a decade (other than jackson). looking at that i would give up a 2nd round (that has shown to be a bust for the most part) for a player that is still playing better then 90 percent of the TE's in NFL. Even if its only for a couple of seasons.

so it is relevant and not asinine and until kolb shows me something that doesn't require throwing multiple INT's in 1 game he is a bust.

Pinkston and R.Brown...lol.