shocker, you openly associate with people who like Hitler. eat shit you fuck

Originally posted by: Man is Truth

And also... you said exterminating people wasn't the nazi political platform. That hardly matters when we are speaking of neo-nazis who KNOW what was actually going on in the camps and who actually support it.

most people I know that like hitler do not want to exterminate people; they just like immersing their identity in his mysticism instead of Al Gore's or Ronald Reagan's.

Oh, I see.. so the handful of people you know who idolize Hitler must, then, describe ALL people worldwide who are in any way supportive of Neo-Nazism.

"In both cases I was referring to conversations that I have witnessed/participated in,"

Oh, I see.. so conversations you happen to overhear are analogous to the entire nation and can thus be used to classify entire groups of people. Right.

As for what wasn't a joke.. a Republican congressman actually suggested bombing mecca in all seriousness.

"masses of mexicans are put in camps in america to be deported, we are told. How would we know?"

Yes, how would WE know.. given that ALL of us live in New Jersey.. just like you. You do realize your own personal experience doesn't actually encompass all of human knowledge, right?

Oh, I see.. so conversations you happen to overhear are analogous to the entire nation and can thus be used to classify entire groups of people. Right.

yes, because the groups are literally centered on and defined by allegiance to respective leadership personalities, who are nationally televised and in nearly every english-speaking living room in the united states.

As for what wasn't a joke.. a Republican congressman actually suggested bombing mecca in all seriousness.

and spokespeople of Leftist hatred regularly, openly call for hostile violence against racists and rural christians.

Yes, how would WE know.. given that ALL of us live in New Jersey.. just like you. You do realize your own personal experience doesn't actually encompass all of human knowledge, right?

what are you talking about? I would literally pay you to read your fuckin corny ass rhetoric manual bro. I am saying that there are in fact mass-detention camps that are in fact stocked with illegal aliens who are in fact rounded up- after that? Who the fuck knows? The facts end with us being told that they are deported; they could just as easily be gassed and cremated.

"and spokespeople of Leftist hatred regularly, openly call for hostile violence against racists and rural christians. "

Three examples from the mainstream, please.

"I am saying that there are in fact mass-detention camps that are in fact stocked with illegal aliens who are in fact rounded up- after that? Who the fuck knows? The facts end with us being told that they are deported; they could just as easily be gassed and cremated."

And what I am saying is that just because YOU don't know if they are deported or killed does not mean that others don't know.

Well, just because Reinhard Heydrich knew did not mean that Hans the traffic policeman ordered to keep honorable german girls out of the jewish ghetto knew either. That is my point. That what you are assigning as a property of the nazi regime was only assigned this property long after its crimes came to light- similarly, in the future, people will gasp in terror at de-classified american documents.

the groups are literally centered on and defined by allegiance to respective leadership personalities, who are nationally televised and in nearly every english-speaking living room in the united states.

also still that

Three examples from the mainstream, please.

got 3 friends that assaulted a mexican- 30 years in jail each, not counting the 7 they spent waiting for their trial. Know other guys assaulted other people- got probation. Literal legislative institutionalized violence against politically expedient targets.

Originally posted by: Man is Truth

Well, just because Reinhard Heydrich knew did not mean that Hans the traffic policeman ordered to keep honorable german girls out of the jewish ghetto knew either. That is my point. That what you are assigning as a property of the nazi regime was only assigned this property long after its crimes came to light- similarly, in the future, people will gasp in terror at de-classified american documents.

And yet... all the current neo-nazis know about it... and many actually support it.

Originally posted by: Man is Truth

Three examples from the mainstream, please.

got 3 friends that assaulted a mexican- 30 years in jail each, not counting the 7 they spent waiting for their trial. Know other guys assaulted other people- got probation. Literal legislative institutionalized violence against politically expedient targets.

Okay... explain it to me, please... who the fuck here is in the mainstream, called for violence, and given your last sentence.. who the fuck are the supposed victims here?

I meant name three spokespeople for "the left" who are in the mainstream and call for violence against racists or rural christians... because some of your stupid friends beating up a mexican doesn't quite fit the bill on that one.

the 3 victims are my friends, all of whom had their lives taken from them for a crime that merits probation when the offenders are not politically expedient targets- you can find any run of the mill govt official endorsing this policy with the most minimal of effort.

Originally posted by: Man is Truth

the 3 victims are my friends, all of whom had their lives taken from them for a crime that merits probation when the offenders are not politically expedient targets- you can find any run of the mill govt official endorsing this policy with the most minimal of effort.

So, 3 on 1 assault should get them probation? How exactly are they "politically expedient targets"? Oh wait.. let me guess.. they beat this guy BECAUSE he was mexican. That doesn't make them victims of "hostile violence" or "politically expedient targets". It makes them violent racists who got long prison terms for beating someone for being mexican. I'd agree they should get shorter sentences than that. I wouldn't agree they should get fucking PROBATION for that. Aaaand.. all this just reinforces what I have been saying about you and Dwarn all along.. if it doesn't happen to white, straight males then it just doesn't matter. For example.. three of your dumbass racist friends decide to gang up on and beat a mexican guy, get caught, and get long jail sentences for it... and you characterize THEM as the victims because they were "politically expedient targets"... never mind how THEY are the ones who actually committed a violent crime based on someone's race.

So, I have to ask... do you share the views of your ignorant, violent, racist friends?

"got 3 friends that assaulted a mexican"

"the 3 victims are my friends"

Says it all.

So, 3 on 1 assault should get them probation?

does in fact get other people in similar situations probation. No speculation.

How exactly are they "politically expedient targets"?

because they are racists, and we are free to look at racists as less than human, and target them with inhuman violations, because 51% of the people are gratified by the spectacle.

Oh wait.. let me guess.. they beat this guy BECAUSE he was mexican.

I think it was actually over some dispute at a diner where the mexican worked.

That doesn't make them victims of "hostile violence" or "politically expedient targets".

does in fact

It makes them violent racists who got long prison terms for beating someone for being mexican.

you are saying the same thing as me, except you are using the political langauge designed to inflame the irrational hatred of out-groups and irrational fear for the "our" safety, and I am using politically neutral language designed to analyze a particular event.

I'd agree they should get shorter sentences than that. I wouldn't agree they should get fucking PROBATION for that. Aaaand.. all this just reinforces what I have been saying about you and Dwarn all along.. if it doesn't happen to white, straight males then it just doesn't matter. For example.. three of your dumbass racist friends decide to gang up on and beat a mexican guy, get caught, and get long jail sentences for it... and you characterize THEM as the victims because they were "politically expedient targets"... never mind how THEY are the ones who actually committed a violent crime based on someone's race.

who were then thrown in jail effectively for the rest of their lives because of the color of their skin and their political opinions. We can turn it around if you wish, and imagine that they were 3 black men, who got in an argument at a bank where a white man worked, and fought and beat him, and then went to jail forever because they were black, and because the victim was white, and because these black people harbor a political sympathy for other black people before concern for whites.

So, I have to ask... do you share the views of your ignorant, violent, racist friends?

I use the term friend loosely- truthfully they all came to my house to attack me. But I knew their hearts, and except the one little malevolent shit-stain, the others were decent guys who fell in with the wrong crowd. They were just teen-angst males that hung around in groups of other young males- totally normal behavior that does not truly denote any kind of existential anti-social menace. Where they grew up, the cops openly joke about harassing minorities, so, they are just operating under the assumption that their elders believe them to be entirely legitimate heirs of their system. It is wrong to punish them forever because one can score political points by doing so.

It is also quite mainstream to do so, and not even questioned by an astoundingly alarming percent among the great many.

"It is wrong to punish them forever because one can score political points by doing so. "

Its not forever. Its 30 years.. and its quite unlikely they will serve anywhere near that long. Also, for all your bluster about them being so unfairly treated... non-whites tend to draw far longer sentences than whites for the same crimes.