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can't believe i have to do this again, but watching all the pussified "wait, wait, don't tell me's" in the other thread was getting kind of annoying.

so o.k., have at it, spoil away.

first off, who are the easter-island-head dudes?

did they create the xenomorphs? us? the predator? none of the above?

and one of the first things that leaked about this last year was the full nude of charlize theron. if that wound up on the cutting room floor, what else seemed missing? any abrupt cut-aways before-to-after what should have been gore?

also, what are all the plot holes/inconsistencies people are talking about? i've seen all the other movies multiple times and read some of the books. so what's changed?


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June 8 2012 10:17 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
"Easter Island head thing" was monument to the Engineer. A humanoid race that basically created humans. First 5 minutes of the film is a flashback to Earth pre-humans, where one of these engineers drinks a fluid that dissolves him and he falls into water. They then zoom in to show human DNA being formed. The rest of the film takes place in 2089 and 2093.


There was no nudity in the film. But I've read that literally 40 minutes of footage was cut for the theatrical release. It's almost a gaurantee that there will be an epic "Director's Cut" once the blu-ray is released. Either that or Scott is going to hold onto some of it for the sequel.


One big inconsistency is the end location of the "space jockey". The one that the Nostromo crew finds in Alien is sitting in the pilots seat with the hole in its chest, where as in Prometheus it happens off the ship and in an escape pod. However, this film doesn't occur on the same planet as Alien so again, the sequel might explain that a little better.


I didn't like that they wasted characters. There were a handful of people on the ship that you never even see their face until they are killed off. Most of the time you have no idea what their name was either. They also made the alien more like a virus. Because the scientists themselves are just figuring things out, they don't give a great explanation as to why it turns people the way it does. There are things that, I guess you could say, take the place of the face huggers but they just possess the individual rather than implant a xenomorph embryo.

Alien left alot of unanswered questions and I think that was part of it's charm. While this answered some of them, it left alot more open as well. I'll be interested to see how much this proposed sequel bridges the gap or further separates them.
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June 8 2012 10:20 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
This explains it, pretty much exactly what I thought..fuond it online last night in my nerdom


After David opened the chamber door, he atmosphericly compromised the room’s air which had been sealed for around 2000 years (we know this because they carbon dated the headless body by about 2000 years). Fresh air caused the murals on the wall to degrade and the temperature difference of the fresh air caused the canisters to sweat, like when you put ice in a glass of water. This also had an effect on the biological liquids in the canisters, causing them to start expanding (liquids can expand when the temperature radically canges).
When David first walks into the chamber, we see (although none of the crew notice) that he disturbs some form of larvae on the ground (they come up from under the ground after he steps on it). These are most likely left over from the space jockey head left in the room (these may also be what causes the head to explode later during the examination, but that’s a whole other topic). The black liquid in the canisters is a bio weapon, from what I understood in the murals we saw in the walls, the main one showed the alien xenomorph at it’s centre, suggesting that the biological black liquid is designed to grow into the alien xenomorph – each canister when activated will become one alien drone, most likely a soldier that can NOT reproduce (otherwise there would be no way to control them once the space jockeys have unleashed them on their target, the xenomorph would NOT be capable of implanting an embryo in another being). The black liquid though, because it does create a living organism from nothing, would have to contain some kind of advanced steroid that affects biological matter in order to create a life form.
When the black liquid pools on the ground, the larvae we saw on the ground began to bathe in it and feed on it. As a result, it bioformed them as it’s capable of doing, the end result being an agressive more advanced worm creature, the creatures encountered by Fifield and Millburn. When the creature sprays acid on Fifield’s helmet it begins to melt it. Fifield then falls into the black liquid, but when he stands the helmet has been melted enough that it collapses inwards. The mixture of melted helmet and the black liquid burns into his face, causing him to pass out, falling face first into the black liquid, where it begins to biologically change him as it did the larvae worms.

Meanwhile, Holloway, who has ingested a single drop of the black liquid, has been undergoing internal changes. As he ingested it, and only in a small amount, his change has taken more time, working more subtly, changing his internal organs first including his reproductive system. Because of this, and unawares to either of them, he impregnates Shaw with an embryo that is human based, but has been part changed by the black liquid. Holloway begins to suffer radical changes with the black liquid changing him into a xenomorph drone. He’s not as far along as Fifield when we last see him, and his behavour and mind has not been changed yet when he sacrifices himself.

The real surprise is that because the creature that Shaw gives birth to is a hybrid of human and xenomorph genetics, it contains all of the genetic traits of the xenomorphs, intelligence, aggression, but it now also contains in some form, a reproductive system, meaning that it is able to implant an embryo in a being (as we see at the movie’s end), which it will take traits from and evolve into the xenomorph we know.

If one could look at the xenomorph as an final good (in the economics sense of the word), I think perhaps:
the black goo is the raw material, which produces:
an infected human as the first intermediate good, which produces:
a facehugger as the secondary intermediary good, which produces:
a human carrying a xenomorph embryo, the teritary intermediate good, which produces:
the xenomorph, the finished good, which can convert humans into eggs.
once the first two steps are accomplished, the last three independently cycle provided there is an availability of inputs.
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June 8 2012 10:33 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
I guess this question is probably easily answered but Prometheus and Alien take place on two separate planetoids. I want to know what caused the engineers on the one from Alien to send out the distress signal.
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June 8 2012 10:41 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
To tell the other Engineers that there was a problem, the crew was dead and they were going to crash land, wake up the dormant guys and complete the mission to Earth. Since the dating from around both ships is the same. 2000 years is what it most likely took for the dead Engineer on LV-426 to fossilize like it was when Dallas and Kane found it.
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June 8 2012 10:42 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
I dissected this until 5 am.
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June 8 2012 10:45 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Here's a fuckin' spoiler: one humanoid engineer basically gets mouth-fucked by an enormous face sucker at the end and gives an immediate/peculiar space birth to traditional Alien. I replayed the scene in my head and jerked off for a few hours after Wren dropped me off at home. I got yelled at after a while for shaking the bed and spraying semen irresponsibly onto fabrics, bedding, and carpet.
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Originally posted by: John Barlow

Here's a fuckin' spoiler: one humanoid engineer basically gets mouth-fucked by an enormous face sucker at the end and gives an immediate/peculiar space birth to traditional Alien. I replayed the scene in my head and jerked off for a few hours after Wren dropped me off at home. I got yelled at after a while for shaking the bed and spraying semen irresponsibly onto fabrics, bedding, and carpet.

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June 8 2012 10:49 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
I wonder if they will really expand on the Engineers planet in the sequel. I've been trying to think of how a story about that would go because I imagine that once Shaw shows up, she's pretty much dead immediately. I would think that it would be more like Aliens in a way and they send marines to the planet to search for both Shaw and the answers that Weyland was looking for. Shaw would be long dead but most of the answers would be found. That's just my guess.
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interactive holographic star map i presume?

also, notice the neat egg-shape; this is the genius of these films, the always biological, often sexual design of everything. even just the way the sun on the left with the moon transit looks like a giant eye looking down at them; awesome:











and who be this dude?








also, lol@



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June 8 2012 10:55 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: mark devito

This explains it, pretty much exactly what I thought..fuond it online last night in my nerdom


After David opened the chamber door, he atmosphericly compromised the room’s air which had been sealed for around 2000 years (we know this because they carbon dated the headless body by about 2000 years). Fresh air caused the murals on the wall to degrade and the temperature difference of the fresh air caused the canisters to sweat, like when you put ice in a glass of water. This also had an effect on the biological liquids in the canisters, causing them to start expanding (liquids can expand when the temperature radically canges).
When David first walks into the chamber, we see (although none of the crew notice) that he disturbs some form of larvae on the ground (they come up from under the ground after he steps on it). These are most likely left over from the space jockey head left in the room (these may also be what causes the head to explode later during the examination, but that’s a whole other topic). The black liquid in the canisters is a bio weapon, from what I understood in the murals we saw in the walls, the main one showed the alien xenomorph at it’s centre, suggesting that the biological black liquid is designed to grow into the alien xenomorph – each canister when activated will become one alien drone, most likely a soldier that can NOT reproduce (otherwise there would be no way to control them once the space jockeys have unleashed them on their target, the xenomorph would NOT be capable of implanting an embryo in another being). The black liquid though, because it does create a living organism from nothing, would have to contain some kind of advanced steroid that affects biological matter in order to create a life form.
When the black liquid pools on the ground, the larvae we saw on the ground began to bathe in it and feed on it. As a result, it bioformed them as it’s capable of doing, the end result being an agressive more advanced worm creature, the creatures encountered by Fifield and Millburn. When the creature sprays acid on Fifield’s helmet it begins to melt it. Fifield then falls into the black liquid, but when he stands the helmet has been melted enough that it collapses inwards. The mixture of melted helmet and the black liquid burns into his face, causing him to pass out, falling face first into the black liquid, where it begins to biologically change him as it did the larvae worms.

Meanwhile, Holloway, who has ingested a single drop of the black liquid, has been undergoing internal changes. As he ingested it, and only in a small amount, his change has taken more time, working more subtly, changing his internal organs first including his reproductive system. Because of this, and unawares to either of them, he impregnates Shaw with an embryo that is human based, but has been part changed by the black liquid. Holloway begins to suffer radical changes with the black liquid changing him into a xenomorph drone. He’s not as far along as Fifield when we last see him, and his behavour and mind has not been changed yet when he sacrifices himself.

The real surprise is that because the creature that Shaw gives birth to is a hybrid of human and xenomorph genetics, it contains all of the genetic traits of the xenomorphs, intelligence, aggression, but it now also contains in some form, a reproductive system, meaning that it is able to implant an embryo in a being (as we see at the movie’s end), which it will take traits from and evolve into the xenomorph we know.

If one could look at the xenomorph as an final good (in the economics sense of the word), I think perhaps:
the black goo is the raw material, which produces:
an infected human as the first intermediate good, which produces:
a facehugger as the secondary intermediary good, which produces:
a human carrying a xenomorph embryo, the teritary intermediate good, which produces:
the xenomorph, the finished good, which can convert humans into eggs.
once the first two steps are accomplished, the last three independently cycle provided there is an availability of inputs.




cool, i'm glad they went back to the biological plotline: they kind of explored it in a3; the alien gestated in a dog, and ran and looked a little like a dog, and there was a big pile of giant-lice husks that were unexplained that ripley finds at one point.
cool, that was one of the most interesting aspects of the original story, and kind of got abandoned in favor of the more lowbrow 'monster' as-is in the other sequels and avp's. neat.
also, black liquid? is this another x-files universe tie-in? lol
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June 8 2012 11:02 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
i really hope that they're paying attention to what people are saying and rectifying some of the guffaws that they made with this. i am not of a fan of damon lindelof at all. i don't like the constant "answer a question with a bigger question" bullshit that he does because he has no idea where he's going with it. he does not plan ahead and just paints himself into a corner and bullshits his way out of it with cheap ideas.

i know that this isn't an alien movie. i went in there with no expectations that it would be. i just found that i didn't care about any of characters and some of their motives made no sense at all. people who were otherwise rational people doing irrational things with no hint of them being irrational at all.

i'm not even going to speculate on the sequel because it won't probably happen. let's face it, this movie isn't going to do great box office because it isn't an easily digestible flick for mass consumption. ridley scott is getting old and has 2 or 3 other movies he wants to do before they even think about a sequel. chances are that he'll croak before they even get the idea off the ground.
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June 8 2012 11:03 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
also, the last minutes of this movie seemed to be the worst afterthought to appease fans that i've ever seen. it was kind of ridiculous that they allowed that horribly designed thing enter the movie at all. i've seen third graders design better monsters.
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June 8 2012 11:09 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
I agree. I didn't need to see the Xenomorph at all. I think that they threw that in there with the hopes that the crowd would cheer for that part. At our screening people kind of just shrugged it off. The general talk was that it was cool to see an early form of it but really an unneeded scene.

Another reason for it would be just because of the reasons you stated. Scott might kick the bucket before he goes after the sequel to this so quickly including a shot of an early version of both the facehugger and the xenomorph was an easy way for now to bridge the films together.
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June 8 2012 11:13 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Answering questions with bigger questions does and doesn't work for me. Sometimes it's pretty fun to speculate about things. I mean the Alien quadrilogy made you do that alot, even in the shitty excuse for a film in Resurrection. I think answering some of those with Prometheus kind of killed some of that vibe for me. I liked the "answers" so to speak but at the same time I liked not knowing a the same time.


Also, the religious agenda seemed a bit confusing. At times it was pretty clear that Scott was pushing an evolution message with it and basically shitting on the idea of creationalism, but at the end the heroin resorts back to wearing the cross. To me that was a copout. It was like, Scott saying that he doesn't believe in what Christians think about how we were created but just incase he'll make sure the "believer" sticks to their face as if to say "just incase god is watching".
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June 8 2012 11:15 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
yea, that's what i was thinking with that whole thing but in all reality, if he were thinking that then why not just show how the derelict ship crashed on lv-426? i know he didn't want to do a direct prequel but those are the questions that they were hinting at and they'll probably go unanswered forever.

oh well.

at least it looked pretty.

on a sidenote, fassbender played the same character he did in shame, just without a sex drive.
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