yeah i know it is nearly impossible. however i do know some people that invest in things like this and have invested in some successful places in the last few years. i have been thinking about it and have been approached about it, but i never felt right. now i think it maybe a good time to try and get something going, we need an all ages venue that is owned and operated by people that are at least somewhat aware of teh scene. i have not been to many shows in the last couple years but i have been booking shows and tours for 8 - 10 and i also have been in and around the scene for nearly 15 years. i guess it wouldnt hurt to try?